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Ryan Sprague here before we get to this

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week's episode you may have remembered

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that on last week's show I asked for

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listeners to send in their creepiest

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personal ghost stories or monster

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sightings to share with everyone to get

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us you know in the Halloween spirit the

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response was incredible and I am so

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happy and horrified to share this

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personal account by Katie where she

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remembers something very interesting

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that happened during her college years

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when she was working at a rec center in

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Florida have a listen hi this is Katie I

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wanted to share the story that happened

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to me in my early 20s during college I

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worked at a recreation center after

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school you know watching little kids and

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summer camp I guess it was it was kind

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of like YMCA but it was you know run by

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owned by the city anyway

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this rec center I don't think was super

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old it might have been built in the 60s

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or the 70s in a pretty decent area of my

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town in Florida I had worked there for a

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year or so and my one of my girlfriends

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my best girlfriend she worked there as

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well she worked with middle schoolers I

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worked with elementary kids and her boss

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the was you know overall the teen

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programs and everything and he was

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really really cool really fun and we got

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to talk in you don't have to work one

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day and find out you know he's into the

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paranormal as well as she and I are and

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he says hey you know I've had a lot of

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experiences in this rec center I've seen

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things before closing up you know I've

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seen a person in this you know in one of

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the rooms as I was locking the door

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seeing through the glass

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you know doors etc and he'd done some

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you know a little bit of kind of goes

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hunting EVP work after hours but then

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you know got the idea he said hey why

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don't we do a ghost hunt sometime

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because you know he had the keys to the

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place and if it was a weekend it wasn't

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being used no one really would know I

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mean I don't even think there were

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cameras no I mean there weren't cameras

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or anything monitoring if anyone came in

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after hours so one weekend it was like a

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Saturday night it was my friend's boss

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about like 20 21 and then the my

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friend's boss the rec center manager

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team manager he allowed like two of his

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I guess you know teens students to come

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along because they were cool I mean I

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or 13 years old obviously this was

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something that they probably weren't

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supposed to tell their parents and they

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didn't thank God or we'd all be fired

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but we had Al's equipment I mean he had

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you know he and held cameras he had the

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an infrared camera as well he had quite

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a big setup and so we split up the the

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rec center wasn't huge but it was large

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enough where you could split up into

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different groups and be in different

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rooms and not hear each other I mean

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granted you know this maybe you could

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still pick up someone talking another

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room if you were in a recorder across

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the building but so it wasn't perfect it

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assigned to the main room the main

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playroom when you walked into the

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building it was probably about gosh 30

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feet by 30 by 20 maybe and it was myself

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and one of my friends and we were just

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sitting in the room along one of the

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walls and we were you know asking

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questions out loud we had the handheld

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video camera and we were just you know

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filming the room there was no one else

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in the room except for us you know just

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scanning along the walls with the camera

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and we noticed that the camera and this

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was also the night vision this is had

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night vision on it

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the camera was and it was fully charged

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by the way it was fully charged before

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we started this we tried we were

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scanning and we noticed in this one

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corner that it just wouldn't focus and I

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focus started to move it kept moving and

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so we were kind of following it and this

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was just for a few minutes and all of a

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sudden camera shuts off it's out of

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battery it's dead and so we go get you

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know the boss and like hey this happened

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he's like I literally just charged that

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here's the plug so we literally plugged

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it directly into the wall and it worked

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for a little bit same thing we're

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getting this spot that keeps moving and

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the camera keeps dying and they just

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worked after that just wouldn't work

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stakeout a couple days later at work my

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friend's boss calls us into his office

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and he's like hey I'm going over the

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audio because like I said some of us

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were stationed in different areas and

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two of two of us not myself but two

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friends were in the gym and he's like I

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want you to listen to this recording and

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I've heard a lot of EVPs believe me I

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don't I don't think half of them or

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anything you know it's all kind of

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suggestion but this was clear as day and

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it was a little girl's voice saying

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mommy mommy and something like are you

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my mommy or have you seen my mommy but

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really really clear so that is one thing

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where I it was too good it was almost

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too good to be true so that one I will

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say okay maybe he was messing with us

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so I I do want to contact him one day

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and say like look were you messing with

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us was that it was that a real EVP but

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another time and there were only three

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of us and it freaked me out too badly

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there was too much going on so I was I

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of done with ghosts in the paranormal

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thanks mommy ma that gives me the heebie

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jeebies you know now that I think about

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it I've always wanted to know where that

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term came from heebie-jeebies well I did

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a little digging and it actually was

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coined by an American comic strip

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cartoonist WD Beck in 1905 so there you

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go little etymology for you here on

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somewhere in the skies thank you so much

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to Katie for sharing this and it's not

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too late guys if you have a story you

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want to tell just use the contact tab on

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calm and we will take it from there the

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this week's guest will surely get you in

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the mood so let's get on with the show

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what if a world-renowned philosopher and

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professor of psychiatry at Harvard

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suddenly announced he believed in ghosts

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at the close of the 19th century the

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illustrious William James led a

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determined scientific investigation into

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unexplainable incidences of clairvoyance

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and ghostly visitations James and a

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small group of eminent scientists staked

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the reputations their careers even their

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sanity and one of the most extraordinary

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quests ever undertaken to empirically

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prove the existence of ghosts spirits

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and psychic phenomena what they pursued

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and what they found raises questions as

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fascinating today as they were then the

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previous words Don the back of the book

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ghost hunters by deborah blum and i

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believe it fits quite nicely with this

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week's discussion and building off of

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the work of visionaries like William

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James it's quite apparent that

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paranormal investigators of all walks of

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life are stepping up and trying to find

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those answers by asking new questions

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and such is the case for today's guest

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Carl Pfeiffer is a writer photographer

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and paranormal investigator he won the

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first season of Syfy's Ghost Hunters

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Academy and appeared on Ghost Hunters

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International he worked for five years

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as the resident paranormal investigator

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at the famous Stanley Hotel in Estes

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Park Colorado where he conducted more

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than 250 investigations and created a

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web series featuring his spirit

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investigations team called spirits of

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this Stanley he lectures across America

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about approaches to the science and

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philosophy of the paranormal today we

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dive deep into his time on Ghost Hunters

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Academy separating the fact from fiction

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when filming a ghost haunting television

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show we then move into his extensive

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investigations into the famous Stanley

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Halloween season and a guest I think

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you're really gonna enjoy it so without

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communication with Carl Pfeifer Carl

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thank you so much for joining me today

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on somewhere in the skies this is a

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departure for me actually usually we are

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talking all UFOs but today brother we

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are going total ghosting so again thanks

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man this is this is exciting that we can

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finally put this together and pumped we

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now so I am so happy it's finally

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happening and we have some strange

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synchronicities with one another that we

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will get to later in the show but first

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it might not have been just us putting

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this whole thing together as late as we

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did very true there's an architect at

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work I have so you know I'm sure a lot

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of my listeners they may be familiar

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with your work for it but for those who

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aren't how did you first get involved

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with paranormal investigation we are

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going back to the origin story brother

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the origin story the first comic book

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it's I don't know where it came from but

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from my entire life I've just been so

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deeply passionate about all this stuff

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I find that there's two ways that people

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and high strangeness and that's they

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things off or they're just passionate

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latter side where I've always been into

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the creepy stuff I've always been into

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movies you know and ghostbusters or as I

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got older and started doing more

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research just all this slightly more

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concrete which is funny to say

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paranormal stuff being concrete but

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that's where those like creepy and more

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mysterious things start to crossover

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actually into our experiences that you

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don't just have to engage with like a

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Stephen King novel but you can actually

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go and engage with the weird in whatever

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form that takes whatever is actually

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going on out there you can kind of

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pursue it so I've spent my life just

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trying to pursue these things in high

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school that Ghost Hunters boom

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hit and I was I was into that and

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learning as much as I could and then did

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a little bit of research here and there

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with like a ghost hunting group it was

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pretty ragtag those first couple of

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investigations before I was swooped up

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on co-signers Academy the sci-fi

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spin-off show from Ghost Hunters kind of

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that competition reality show and we

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shot six episodes and I was one of the

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co winners of the first season and threw

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myself back into college and and wrote a

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couple books and just kind of figured

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out what the next step was which was

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working at the Stanley Hotel which I did

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for a couple of years up there leading

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The Weeknd público stunts right yeah and

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we will definitely get into that that is

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when I first heard that I say oh my god

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I gotta interview this guy I am sure you

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have some stories about that but

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backtracking back to Ghost Hunters

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Academy

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we always hear in the paranormal realm

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go sunning on TV is a completely

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different beast that it's all fake this

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that we know that's not true

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and you know that for a fact it's not

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all true but I'm gonna put you on the

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spot here I would love to hear how the

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process of a ghost hunting show how you

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may think it differs from like an actual

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paranormal investigation where you're

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spending 12 13 hours in a place you know

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waiting for anything to happen and I

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know this probably happens on television

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as well it's just edited out unlike real

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life so oh yeah could you give us maybe

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a little insider scoop of what it was

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like filming those six episodes totally

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it was um a really interesting

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experience because for me in a lot of

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ways at that time sort of the TV shows

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were my framework for like what an

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investigation kind of looks like and so

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a lot of that was supported by the shows

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and then sort of evolved afterwards when

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my thinking outside of the box was also

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thinking outside of the TV show box as

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well but you know and it was interesting

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to you because Ghost Hunters Academy was

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like so much more like that reality

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based where they spent a little bit more

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time on like whether or not we were

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struggling with the setup or not or you

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know teaching us stuff or learning stuff

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or dealing with the high jinks versus

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just when I was on Ghost Hunters

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International everything was just like

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yeah like

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just takes a while to set up sometimes

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we're gonna get to it so there's there's

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some elements that kind of got in the

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way just by nature of our show but I

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think one of the interesting things was

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from what I've seen after the TV show in

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some ways we actually spend more times

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than a lot of the other ghost-hunting

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groups like when we're in a location

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because we would sit and have it

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relatively scheduled out where we were

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in a room just like a normal boring old

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room for like two hours waiting for

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something to happen and I remember being

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at Eastern State and we just sat in one

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of those prison hallways for like three

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hours just every single question you

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could possibly think of to ask it goes

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we were like EVP experts from an

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interview perspective by the end of that

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show because we just at a certain point

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being as novices we were - that was just

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all we could do was just try to think of

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any possible question that could engage

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the spirits or whatever it was that was

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around us and try to associate them and

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talk about their experience whether that

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was when they were living or when they

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were dead and just the amount of

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creative questions that we just had to

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draw upon it was pretty nuts yeah I was

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gonna say that's pretty cool just to

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know that like you're coming in it

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you're coming at it fresh and with I

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would assume a passion and hunger that

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maybe some of these veteran Ghost

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Hunters may have lost throughout time

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possibly you don't know but it's

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interesting to hear that your your

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attention to detail as a I guess kind of

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a new a new person in the field I can

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only imagine would help an investigation

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as well absolutely yeah and I mean

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there's also that like being thrown in

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the deep end where like all you can do

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is swim you know like you have to swim

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and that was where we're like we're in

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this hallway or we're in this room or in

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the situation where nothing's happening

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like how do we coax it out whereas I

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think when it's in a bit of a less

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controlled scenario that a lot of ghost

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hunting teams we're doing around that

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time I'm in still this day you know you

401
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might spend 20 minutes in a room and be

402
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like oh that's pretty quiet in here move

403
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on or check something else out or

404
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rendezvous and you know while I don't

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really agree with that I think you

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should give it the time this was where I

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got that background in giving at the

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time because you had to sit there for

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two hours

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you couldn't switch it out or you're

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gonna get yelled at by hellix Steve and

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tango on that show so yeah I mean that

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was that was kind of my first example of

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being thrown into it but obvious

415
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like the the TV show aspect at least on

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the one I was on it was very much about

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just like letting it unfold and so it

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was not very intrusive it got intrusive

419
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in like the transitions you know and

420
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that's just normal when you're filming

421
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:02,009
when you're walking down a stairwell and

422
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the camera guy says all right stop

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00:17:07,340 --> 00:17:05,699
re walk down that stairwell I'm gonna

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shoot it from down this time you know

425
00:17:11,419 --> 00:17:09,510
like that's where it's like a very TV

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ish and everything's being like set up

427
00:17:15,289 --> 00:17:13,860
and organized and orchestrated but once

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we were in those rooms once we were

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doing it the camera guys just turned in

430
00:17:23,659 --> 00:17:20,970
absolute ninjas and just let everything

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unfold and there was very little to none

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00:17:26,899 --> 00:17:25,409
influence from outside we just had a

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sound guy sitting on the headset

434
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listening in we had the one camera guy

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just shooting us and very very much just

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letting it unfold that's good to hear I

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00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:36,480
mean we have these you know preconceived

438
00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:39,030
notions that it's all scripted that you

439
00:17:44,060 --> 00:17:41,490
know everything's planned and you know

440
00:17:47,810 --> 00:17:44,070
there are certain shows that we won't

441
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:47,820
name that apparently do do that I mean

442
00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:49,679
everyone is different and the spectrum

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of a lot of stuff like that

444
00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:53,520
absolutely I think they'd stuff for them

445
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the more I think they have to coax out a

446
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story or something the more that there's

447
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a missing beat they've got to try to

448
00:18:01,279 --> 00:17:59,940
it's tough to edit that footage when

449
00:18:03,380 --> 00:18:01,289
you've got a night or two you know to

450
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:03,390
try to make it there so I don't support

451
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any mischievous stuff on that side of

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things but I understand the the

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challenge was trying to make a

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compelling story every week exactly it's

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it's its TV yeah it makes sense well you

456
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know moving away from TV you uh you you

457
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did go sensors Academy and that brought

458
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you to actually working at the famous

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Stanley Hotel so now we're moving to the

460
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silver screen known best for being the

461
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location of the shining so what did you

462
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do at the hotel how did you get hooked

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up with this this job and then

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eventually countless investigations

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there it was a really interesting

466
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journey the way that the pieces kind of

467
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fell together it felt like one door and

468
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the paranormal closed and then a couple

469
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months later another one opened the

470
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whole thing revolved around kind of I

471
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brought my buddy from Ghost Hunters

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Academy Chris McCune and his now-wife

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out to Colorado they wanted to check it

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out hang out a little bit and I was like

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well of course we have to go up to the

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Stanley now ironically had spent you

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know

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10 15 years in Colorado at this point

479
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and I'd driven past it before but I

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hadn't really visited ever before so I

481
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was like I have to visit this - so was a

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good excuse and we were up there

483
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:12,580
checking it out and we just kind of

484
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wandered around like tourists and then

485
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:16,870
we tweeted it out that you know we just

486
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checked out the Stanley this was this

487
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was super cool it'd be fun to go stunt

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sometime I'm the woman at the time who

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ran the to go stunts on the weekends

490
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Callie she would just kind of like troll

491
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around on Twitter and like look for

492
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people posting about the Stanley and she

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would kind of hit them back and be like

494
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you know reply to I'm just like it's a

495
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great place or like yeah you know that

496
00:19:36,750 --> 00:19:35,200
goes through super cool

497
00:19:39,330 --> 00:19:36,760
just sort of like a little bit of reach

498
00:19:40,590 --> 00:19:39,340
outing or reaching out there and the

499
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interesting thing was that she would

500
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normally like search for Stanley Hotel

501
00:19:45,870 --> 00:19:44,500
because if she just looked up Stanley

502
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:45,880
she would get too much miscellaneous

503
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:47,650
stuff but she had happened to look up

504
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just the word Stanley that day and I had

505
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tweeted not saying Stanley Hotel I just

506
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said we were up at the Stanley and she

507
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saw our tweets and she was like oh my

508
00:19:59,310 --> 00:19:57,520
god like I watched Ghost Hunters Academy

509
00:20:00,450 --> 00:19:59,320
like you guys should have let me know

510
00:20:01,890 --> 00:20:00,460
like we could have hooked something up

511
00:20:03,570 --> 00:20:01,900
and so Chris and I look at each other

512
00:20:05,790 --> 00:20:03,580
and we're like well what are you doing

513
00:20:07,410 --> 00:20:05,800
tonight you know and so of course like

514
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:07,420
our girlfriends were like rolling their

515
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:08,770
eyes they're like we're gonna go back up

516
00:20:12,270 --> 00:20:10,570
there and do it goes done Chris and I

517
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:12,280
are like hell yes we are and we're

518
00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:14,050
dragging you guys along and so we went

519
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:15,550
up we did it we rolled through the night

520
00:20:20,940 --> 00:20:18,610
and it was a lot of fun a lot of weird

521
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:20,950
stuff very interesting and wound up

522
00:20:25,770 --> 00:20:22,570
getting super hooked and so I sort of

523
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:25,780
did that like so you know like this

524
00:20:30,210 --> 00:20:27,730
would be fun to just kind of come and be

525
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:30,220
like a guest on some of the future hunts

526
00:20:37,650 --> 00:20:34,720
and just started popping up from week to

527
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week and around that January thanks I

528
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:39,040
was in August they were looking to

529
00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:41,410
expand the ghost hunts and bringing on

530
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:44,470
some more public guests and they needed

531
00:20:48,810 --> 00:20:46,690
somebody else to help out so Callie

532
00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:48,820
threw my name into the mix and got me

533
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:51,460
all fired up and then five years later

534
00:20:55,770 --> 00:20:53,530
the ride kind of never grant to an end

535
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:55,780
but it was by my count around two

536
00:20:59,820 --> 00:20:57,250
hundred and fifty investigations in

537
00:21:01,940 --> 00:20:59,830
between there that we worked up there so

538
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:01,950
wound up the crux of it was leading

539
00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:04,810
groups of 10 to 20 people around on the

540
00:21:08,790 --> 00:21:06,910
weekends and kind of doing part of it a

541
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tour and then three hours of like

542
00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:10,360
sitting in a room seeing what we could

543
00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:11,480
get and

544
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:12,950
kind of an hour of letting them kind of

545
00:21:16,810 --> 00:21:15,110
wander amongst themselves and apply what

546
00:21:19,210 --> 00:21:16,820
they've learned but a really fascinating

547
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:19,220
job in terms of like yes getting to go

548
00:21:24,910 --> 00:21:22,730
stunt multiple times a week as a job at

549
00:21:27,970 --> 00:21:24,920
a place as as famous as the Stanley and

550
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,980
as active but also the nuances of trying

551
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:30,320
to trying to get everyone their money's

552
00:21:34,750 --> 00:21:32,330
worth whether it go showed up or not was

553
00:21:36,130 --> 00:21:34,760
the interesting like the work of the job

554
00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:36,140
the nuance of it that it wasn't just

555
00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:37,910
ghost-hunting it was about telling

556
00:21:43,690 --> 00:21:40,700
stories and education and talking theory

557
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:43,700
and wacky ideas and my goal was always

558
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:46,330
to to kind of focus on the skeptics and

559
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:49,280
if I could get the skeptics to leave

560
00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:50,690
feeling like they got their money's

561
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:52,190
worth not as believers like I didn't

562
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:53,330
really want to convince them of anything

563
00:21:57,790 --> 00:21:56,090
per se but if they could have a respect

564
00:21:59,710 --> 00:21:57,800
for what it is that we do because we got

565
00:22:01,420 --> 00:21:59,720
so many boyfriends and wives and stuff

566
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:01,430
that we're like I'm just humoring my

567
00:22:05,770 --> 00:22:03,290
person this is so stupid there's no

568
00:22:08,050 --> 00:22:05,780
other here but if if they could

569
00:22:09,790 --> 00:22:08,060
leave and be like wow like what you guys

570
00:22:11,260 --> 00:22:09,800
had to say was very compelling like it's

571
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:11,270
interesting how you approach this you're

572
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,530
not just running around screaming in the

573
00:22:18,340 --> 00:22:14,480
dark now I was always kind of my goal

574
00:22:20,770 --> 00:22:18,350
was to to pull back the curtain on more

575
00:22:22,660 --> 00:22:20,780
of the actual thought that went into

576
00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:22,670
this that wasn't just like did you hear

577
00:22:25,690 --> 00:22:22,910
that

578
00:22:27,850 --> 00:22:25,700
is when they're not passionate about it

579
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:27,860
yeah and I think what's really cool is

580
00:22:33,970 --> 00:22:31,130
anytime I've gone on a ghost tour or I

581
00:22:36,010 --> 00:22:33,980
recently went on my first ever ghost

582
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:36,020
investigation which I can touch on

583
00:22:40,900 --> 00:22:38,570
briefly in a moment here but I love

584
00:22:43,810 --> 00:22:40,910
hearing the stories the legend tripping

585
00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:43,820
the history behind a place and that is

586
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:45,710
always appealed to me more than the

587
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:50,090
actual spirit that may be in a place or

588
00:22:56,170 --> 00:22:53,810
in an object or just in you know in

589
00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:56,180
general so that's that's cool that that

590
00:23:01,810 --> 00:22:58,970
almost became 50% of what you were doing

591
00:23:03,970 --> 00:23:01,820
there and I can only imagine that that

592
00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:03,980
that would only enhance the experience

593
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:07,550
both for the people attending and just

594
00:23:13,030 --> 00:23:10,250
the activity happening there you know I

595
00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:13,040
think with more context you give a

596
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,990
person the more they're going to be open

597
00:23:18,370 --> 00:23:16,400
to the possibility that something might

598
00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:18,380
be able to pierce that veil might be

599
00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:20,030
able to communicate with you and that

600
00:23:23,950 --> 00:23:23,240
energy just manifests yeah yeah I mean

601
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:23,960
it's like heaven

602
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:25,130
it's it's

603
00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:28,640
era fiying what we do and having some

604
00:23:32,140 --> 00:23:30,710
fun with it you know and when other

605
00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:32,150
people start having some fun when they

606
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:34,070
start realizing the possibilities we

607
00:23:39,070 --> 00:23:36,010
think a lot too about how much

608
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:39,080
difference it makes when there's sort of

609
00:23:44,050 --> 00:23:41,690
that one like person in the group that's

610
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:44,060
a jerk about it you know that's we got a

611
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:46,370
lot less activity when that happened so

612
00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:48,530
if you could kind of start things off by

613
00:23:53,530 --> 00:23:51,220
trying to like bring them into that

614
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:53,540
perspective on it of like having more

615
00:23:57,820 --> 00:23:56,090
respect for it have having more respect

616
00:23:59,290 --> 00:23:57,830
for how we think about it and then

617
00:24:00,760 --> 00:23:59,300
they're a little bit more open to the

618
00:24:02,770 --> 00:24:00,770
possibility that's like well if these

619
00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:02,780
guys aren't total idiots about this if

620
00:24:05,860 --> 00:24:03,980
they're thinking a little critically

621
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:05,870
about how they approach it maybe there's

622
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:07,730
something here and when you start to

623
00:24:12,610 --> 00:24:10,310
pull down those barriers that's when the

624
00:24:15,340 --> 00:24:12,620
whether it's that energy dynamic or just

625
00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:15,350
the social nuance of like spirits

626
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:16,990
feeling uncomfortable with 20 strangers

627
00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:19,370
whatever that is we found that that

628
00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:21,740
dynamic was really important and by

629
00:24:25,210 --> 00:24:23,390
approaching it from multiple different

630
00:24:27,130 --> 00:24:25,220
angles like that the results tended to

631
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:27,140
be better than just letting everyone run

632
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:29,510
around or by being idiots about it and

633
00:24:32,770 --> 00:24:30,890
being like goes through you and you're

634
00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:32,780
dumb if you don't think so or what you

635
00:24:37,150 --> 00:24:34,550
know however terrible approach you could

636
00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:37,160
imagine you know so in terms of the Stan

637
00:24:41,860 --> 00:24:39,470
Lee I'm sure you experienced some pretty

638
00:24:44,290 --> 00:24:41,870
crazy stuff there you even started a web

639
00:24:47,410 --> 00:24:44,300
series called spirits of Stan Lee this

640
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,420
was pretty cool for me I mean there's

641
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:49,600
always been a presence about the place

642
00:24:56,650 --> 00:24:52,970
whether it's the first time you visit or

643
00:25:04,110 --> 00:24:56,660
whether you're well into 200 plus times

644
00:25:10,110 --> 00:25:06,910
it's just like everything - this isn't

645
00:25:17,070 --> 00:25:10,120
right that was weird

646
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:23,570
right

647
00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:30,710
I loved watching this can you tell us

648
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:32,700
about the show and maybe about some of

649
00:25:37,910 --> 00:25:34,710
the key moments you remember that really

650
00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:37,920
stuck with you during filming this yeah

651
00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:39,780
so the whole process was pretty

652
00:25:43,550 --> 00:25:41,190
interesting because it was kind of

653
00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:43,560
multi-tiered we were both it kind of

654
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:46,260
kicked off in September 2015

655
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,530
Michelle Tate from Ghost Hunters moved

656
00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:51,360
up to Colorado to work with us at the

657
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:52,950
Stanley Hotel leading these ghost hunts

658
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,330
because our other investigator at the

659
00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:56,400
time got real busy with family and

660
00:25:59,480 --> 00:25:57,870
needed to take a step back so it was

661
00:26:01,280 --> 00:25:59,490
kind of a unique opportunity for

662
00:26:02,540 --> 00:26:01,290
Michelle to come up and join us and we

663
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:02,550
had a Facebook page that we didn't use

664
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,650
much so we blasted it out that Michelle

665
00:26:08,660 --> 00:26:07,200
was with us on this project now and we

666
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:08,670
got some engagement with that post and

667
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,110
we thought why don't we use this more

668
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:12,000
you know but instead of just telling the

669
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:13,770
stories and the status of what happens

670
00:26:17,950 --> 00:26:15,810
on the weekends like let's try to

671
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:17,960
document it more so it turned into

672
00:26:23,030 --> 00:26:20,310
throughout the fall just kind of

673
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:23,040
documenting little like more blog style

674
00:26:26,150 --> 00:26:24,480
just interview sit-downs with like

675
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:26,160
evidence clips I hate calling them

676
00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:28,050
evidence but with the little clips of

677
00:26:32,210 --> 00:26:30,420
the activity that we got which at the

678
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:32,220
time we were working with the dark zone

679
00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:34,890
project which is sort of a slowly

680
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:37,620
up-and-coming developing like media

681
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,020
network online with different like

682
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,720
webseries style paranormal content and

683
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:45,120
that spirits of the Stanley what

684
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,700
developed from that was sort of for that

685
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:49,440
that dark zone project so it was a good

686
00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:51,570
excuse to like get more serious about it

687
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,950
and shoot it a little bit better and

688
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:54,960
make it more engaging so yeah when we

689
00:27:00,800 --> 00:26:58,440
came back in in January 2016 we hit it

690
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:00,810
hard and went for about three months of

691
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:02,730
just like shooting not only some of the

692
00:27:07,670 --> 00:27:05,130
public investigations and what happened

693
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,680
there but a lot of questions we're

694
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:09,600
starting to pop up with the spirits

695
00:27:14,270 --> 00:27:11,970
there that we started coming up there

696
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:14,280
more and more in our free time or after

697
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:16,530
the public investigations to continue

698
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:18,510
our research and our questions and doing

699
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:20,580
crazier stuff and that was kind of the

700
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:23,130
crux to the series that came to an end a

701
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:26,220
little bit sadly too soon when the hotel

702
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:28,170
decided to shut down some of the more

703
00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:30,810
paranormal aspects and go for a classier

704
00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:33,390
direction or whatever the reasoning was

705
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:35,790
for taking away some of that ghost angle

706
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:36,720
so it

707
00:27:41,299 --> 00:27:39,179
kind of short-lived but just a really

708
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:41,309
fun opportunity to just have creative

709
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:43,710
control as a creative myself to create

710
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:45,510
create this project that documented what

711
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:47,490
we were doing and the biggest mysteries

712
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:49,530
at that point we revolving around which

713
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,169
spirits were there we had a spirit named

714
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,440
Eddie show up about probably two and a

715
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,360
half years before we started that web

716
00:28:01,220 --> 00:27:59,760
series and he was he was fascinating

717
00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:01,230
because it seemed like he was a recent

718
00:28:06,919 --> 00:28:03,059
spirit who was almost figuring out how

719
00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:06,929
to be a ghost okay yeah he started with

720
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:09,179
just a smell kind of like a smell of

721
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,100
like body odor right and in this one

722
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:13,500
room and there's first night it happened

723
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,820
there was three of us in the room and

724
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:16,440
we're smelling each other to make sure

725
00:28:19,159 --> 00:28:18,120
that like it wasn't any of us or like I

726
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:19,169
think we would have noticed a couple

727
00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:21,210
hours ago one of us was a little right

728
00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:24,270
but so it was the smell the sourceless

729
00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:25,830
smell we couldn't figure out it started

730
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:28,470
coming back randomly week to week when

731
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:30,419
we started talking about that smell and

732
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:33,059
it being unpleasant the the smell

733
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:34,770
started to change you could kind of

734
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:36,510
catch it on the edges but it was more of

735
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:38,970
like a flowers type smell it was more

736
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,770
pleasant like it was consciously being

737
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:42,480
changed and then there was some physical

738
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:44,460
interaction people started feeling like

739
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,260
they got touched and then when we

740
00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:48,240
started getting more like EVP type

741
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:50,070
device interaction where we started

742
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:52,110
flushing out the story we were getting

743
00:28:57,529 --> 00:28:54,900
consistent names coming across like Edie

744
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:57,539
and Eddie coming through we weren't

745
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,159
talking about it publicly we didn't have

746
00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:00,960
the web series at that point so then we

747
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:03,870
get like self-proclaimed psychics coming

748
00:29:07,159 --> 00:29:04,890
on the ghost hunts and they'd be like

749
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:07,169
I'm feeling like there's like an Eddie

750
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,480
spirit here and we're like how the hell

751
00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:11,520
did you know that you know so it was

752
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:12,870
really fascinating and put those pieces

753
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:14,490
together over the course of a year and a

754
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:16,530
half and kind of build his story and

755
00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:19,740
towards the end there with that all in

756
00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:22,230
mind - we would look at all the activity

757
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,120
and how it changed every week as we

758
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:25,919
studied it and it seemed like there was

759
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:27,809
some new spirits at the time and that's

760
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:30,210
some of our more classic spirits like

761
00:29:34,460 --> 00:29:32,940
Lucy is one of the famous ones she she

762
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:34,470
might have been gone at that point like

763
00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:36,419
we hadn't heard from her in a year or

764
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:37,950
two but he got to the point that we

765
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:39,570
really wondered if her story had changed

766
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:42,690
drastically that she had moved on and if

767
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,520
that that's what happens or she just

768
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:47,039
like went somewhere else on the property

769
00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:48,240
or her

770
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:50,430
whatever happened with her that was kind

771
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:52,620
of a mystery too so all this stuff kind

772
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,090
of developing right there in the spring

773
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:56,220
just lots and lots and lots of questions

774
00:30:00,260 --> 00:29:58,260
which happens the deeper you look the

775
00:30:01,910 --> 00:30:00,270
moment you take that extra step all the

776
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:01,920
questions just yawn out in front of you

777
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:04,770
yeah I can only imagine well you bring

778
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:08,100
up the idea of a medium Karl and I want

779
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:09,480
to touch on that in just a moment

780
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:11,250
something that I found pretty

781
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:15,090
interesting is that you you started

782
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:17,010
working with a spirit box when you were

783
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:18,810
at the Stanley this is kind of a newer

784
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,510
tech approach I would say in the ghosts

785
00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:23,520
undead field and this really caught my

786
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:25,230
attention you had some pretty

787
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:27,510
interesting results with the ghost box

788
00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:30,210
when you were at the Stanley and it kind

789
00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:32,160
of brought you down a fascinating and

790
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:35,070
strange rabbit hole now I recently used

791
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:36,840
a spirit box for the first time on my

792
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:38,940
first ghost hunt so that was kind of

793
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:41,900
exposure therapy right from the start

794
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:45,120
but would you mind sharing your story

795
00:30:51,260 --> 00:30:47,310
with us of what happened with this this

796
00:30:53,030 --> 00:30:51,270
ghost slash spirit box yeah so the the

797
00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:53,040
spirit box is a really controversial

798
00:30:58,700 --> 00:30:55,590
device and for the folks that hate it I

799
00:31:00,380 --> 00:30:58,710
don't blame me a bit I there's a lot of

800
00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:00,390
people in this paranormal field that

801
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:02,550
utterly hate that thing and I respect

802
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:04,050
them a lot I'm like I wish I could hate

803
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:06,450
it too and because I mean it just cans

804
00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:09,600
through normal FM or AM radio stations

805
00:31:15,170 --> 00:31:12,270
and you hear commercials and clips of

806
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,180
songs and DJs talking and it's candid

807
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:16,880
through really quickly so there's not

808
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:19,140
very often that you can make stuff out

809
00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:21,480
as far as like going every you know two

810
00:31:26,390 --> 00:31:23,300
seconds like you're hearing something

811
00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:26,400
distinct but there's there's a lot of

812
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,940
room for false positives basically and

813
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:31,440
one of the the first couple times I used

814
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,240
it though we heard some really like

815
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,880
almost shouting Li loud direct responses

816
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:37,320
to the questions we asked like names

817
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:39,000
we're like hey Paul if you're here you

818
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:40,380
got to shout it out over all this other

819
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,050
noise where we're not really gonna be

820
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,080
too sure and we just hear like Paul just

821
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,760
shout it out right through it and it was

822
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,980
very loud and very clear in a way that

823
00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:52,200
made me think something more is going on

824
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,950
here than just random matrix saying by

825
00:31:59,390 --> 00:31:57,600
the ears or hearing what you want to

826
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:59,400
hear or just forcing something to make

827
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:01,260
sense it seemed like something more but

828
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:02,250
I always kept that critical

829
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:04,110
mine with it because it is so easy to

830
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:07,890
just hear what you want to hear but we

831
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:09,810
and again I don't know where the source

832
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:13,320
of this idea came from it was I think

833
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:14,850
probably from a conversation between

834
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:17,820
Ruby and Kali back in the day we're just

835
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,260
spitballing ideas in the middle of night

836
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:21,960
but at some point it came up that we had

837
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:25,140
this idea of thinking about what happens

838
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:27,240
if you plug somebody in on a pair of

839
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,460
headphones and they're listening to the

840
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:30,960
spirit box but no one else in the group

841
00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:33,030
can hear what the spirit box is saying

842
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:34,980
yeah and the person with the headphones

843
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:37,380
on can't hear the questions being asked

844
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:38,850
you crank it up real loud you get some

845
00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:41,490
good super soundproof headphones and you

846
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:44,520
see if they just speak aloud anything

847
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:46,260
clear that they hear at all any single

848
00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:48,450
voice whether it sounds like a

849
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:50,400
commercial or not anything they hear

850
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:52,380
they just say I mean while everyone else

851
00:32:57,140 --> 00:32:55,440
is asking questions and we wanted to use

852
00:33:00,050 --> 00:32:57,150
that as more of an objective like take

853
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:00,060
out the manipulating your expectations

854
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:02,700
bit and just it's either an answer it's

855
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:05,700
not you know and we started to get

856
00:33:10,670 --> 00:33:08,820
weirder and weirder stuff with it and it

857
00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:10,680
was this it turned into this giant

858
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:12,780
rabbit hole of an exercise in terms of

859
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:15,810
trying to imagine skeptically like how

860
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,700
many different responses to something

861
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:19,620
could be possible in the realm of

862
00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:22,050
coincidence and how many like specific

863
00:33:25,910 --> 00:33:23,790
type answers could really you know

864
00:33:28,010 --> 00:33:25,920
validate something like that how many

865
00:33:30,170 --> 00:33:28,020
back-and-forth questions and

866
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:30,180
conversations could you go through that

867
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:31,890
would start to be beyond just random

868
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,380
chance or likelihood which is complex

869
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:35,760
when it comes to conversation you know

870
00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:37,860
like or even topics coming up on the

871
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,750
radio so I mean if we were asking about

872
00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:42,000
like hey if your favorite football team

873
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:43,800
is the Broncos cuz we're out in Colorado

874
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:44,010
right

875
00:33:48,890 --> 00:33:46,530
say say Denver Broncos through this

876
00:33:50,510 --> 00:33:48,900
device like the odds of course if them

877
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:50,520
of Broncos being talked about on AM

878
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,740
radio or like he said you know or like

879
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,760
hey what did you think of the the

880
00:33:57,740 --> 00:33:55,440
political status of this year right now

881
00:33:59,960 --> 00:33:57,750
like you might hear a political thing

882
00:34:02,000 --> 00:33:59,970
come through the radio because that's

883
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:02,010
what's being talked about on there so

884
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:04,410
the the skeptical nature of it like

885
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:06,570
there's a lot that you want but we were

886
00:34:12,830 --> 00:34:10,260
getting like at its peak at one point we

887
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:12,840
had like a whole three minute

888
00:34:18,650 --> 00:34:16,080
back-and-forth conversation there was

889
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,660
it was it still so bizarre to watch that

890
00:34:22,130 --> 00:34:20,460
the video footage of it had been a quiet

891
00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:22,140
night we were up in the balcony

892
00:34:26,630 --> 00:34:24,270
we introduced blindfold - so it's like

893
00:34:27,890 --> 00:34:26,640
Connor are our team member he has these

894
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:27,900
drummer headphones because he's a

895
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:30,060
drummer so they just knock out tons of

896
00:34:33,410 --> 00:34:31,890
noise you can barely hear anything with

897
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,420
those things on and he's got the

898
00:34:36,910 --> 00:34:35,280
blindfolds on and we're up there we've

899
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:36,920
been talking to it for like 30 minutes

900
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:41,580
not much that's super crazy and Mark

901
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:43,050
Michels has been one of our guys

902
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:45,450
operating the cameras he holds up his

903
00:34:48,590 --> 00:34:46,980
hand he says how many fingers am i

904
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:48,600
holding up and he was holding up four

905
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:51,210
fingers and we'd never heard it do this

906
00:34:56,090 --> 00:34:53,490
before but Connor just started like

907
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:56,100
hearing numbers coming across the spirit

908
00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:57,300
box and you just start spitting out

909
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:59,610
numbers then he's getting flipping about

910
00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:01,260
it cuz he's like this is ridiculous he's

911
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:03,360
like I'm just hearing numbers so he's

912
00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:07,710
just like seven twenty to one like and

913
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,630
he's just he said afterwards he was like

914
00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:11,280
I hoped you guys asked for like a phone

915
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:12,990
number or a lotto ticket number

916
00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:14,760
something he's like I didn't know what

917
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:16,830
the string of numbers was all about but

918
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:18,060
it was right when we asked how many

919
00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:20,910
fingers mark was holding up and it just

920
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:22,590
starts launching off these numbers and

921
00:35:26,090 --> 00:35:24,390
the spirit like the voice of it sounds

922
00:35:27,980 --> 00:35:26,100
like it's getting frustrated which could

923
00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:27,990
just be interpreting like how Conor said

924
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:29,790
stuff but towards the end of it he's

925
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:31,530
just like you know I tried to do this

926
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,630
like I'm done with this this is this is

927
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:36,480
dumb you know and of all the numbers

928
00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:38,280
that Connor threw out none of them were

929
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,350
for like none of them was the actual

930
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:42,180
number so we were like pushing we're

931
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:44,250
like you're so close oh it's four we

932
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,810
were telling we're like it's four just

933
00:35:50,570 --> 00:35:48,060
say four and it never actually just said

934
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:50,580
four and it was just it was bizarre

935
00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,160
because almost every line out of his

936
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:55,800
mouth was something relevant to like

937
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,330
what was happening what we were trying

938
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:00,540
to coax out from the spirit so I mean

939
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:02,010
all the questions about that and all the

940
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:03,660
rabbit holes we could go down we're just

941
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:06,090
numerous about like why can't they say

942
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:07,680
that specific number could they not see

943
00:36:11,540 --> 00:36:09,510
it could they not understand it could

944
00:36:12,830 --> 00:36:11,550
they're not communicated like where was

945
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:12,840
that frustration coming so we'd have

946
00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:14,820
problems with specificity before you

947
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:16,080
know is there some sort of rule or

948
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:18,090
inability to be too specific when

949
00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:19,650
they're communicating with us is that

950
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,630
just more of the skeptical like you're

951
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,400
not gonna get the specifics the odds are

952
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:25,440
too far but you can interpret a lot more

953
00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:28,110
than that as being really close like it

954
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:30,390
was really complex

955
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:32,070
all of the questions that were coming

956
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:33,690
from that and trying to figure out how

957
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:36,060
to approach it skeptically or or test it

958
00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:38,370
further and we did variations on it we

959
00:36:42,620 --> 00:36:41,430
finally did last year we had a situation

960
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:42,630
where we could try a debunking

961
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:44,610
experiment with it that that one's

962
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:46,830
complex too so the idea with the

963
00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:49,170
debunking experiment is so we're in a

964
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:52,200
situation there's random stuff coming

965
00:36:55,610 --> 00:36:54,330
through and we wanted to see if the

966
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,620
spirit voices were coming out of the

967
00:36:58,850 --> 00:36:57,300
spirit box if they were communicating

968
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:58,860
somehow in that moment

969
00:37:05,330 --> 00:37:01,920
why don't we record a session earlier

970
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,340
just randomly like a day an hour a week

971
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:08,400
before however long Conner sits on the

972
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:10,890
spirit box at home talks into his iPhone

973
00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:12,660
and just says the words that he hears on

974
00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:15,240
a ghost hunt later he will plug into

975
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:17,190
that or the spirit box when we're

976
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:19,050
outside of the room and we'll come back

977
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:20,010
in the room and start asking questions

978
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,170
and we don't know which one he's plugged

979
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:23,760
into if it's a live session that's

980
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:25,140
really happening or if he's just saying

981
00:37:28,610 --> 00:37:26,730
all the words the same way that he heard

982
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:28,620
them a week ago and if we get like

983
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:30,810
really compelling conversation with the

984
00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:33,060
one he recorded a week ago we could stay

985
00:37:37,070 --> 00:37:34,590
with some degree of certainty that like

986
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:37,080
it just happens dance cuz like that

987
00:37:41,570 --> 00:37:38,610
happened before we even ask these

988
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:41,580
questions but at what point if it gets

989
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:44,430
really crazy how good that conversation

990
00:37:47,540 --> 00:37:46,170
was back and forth do we have to start

991
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:47,550
asking those questions that you probably

992
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:49,500
are familiar with looking to UFOs like

993
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,260
time you know and moving through time

994
00:37:57,110 --> 00:37:55,440
and how if you're non-physical if time

995
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:57,120
is physical to some degree like are

996
00:38:00,440 --> 00:37:58,740
these things moving through space and

997
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:00,450
time in a completely different way that

998
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:02,220
they could literally like listen to our

999
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:03,930
questions in a week before answer them

1000
00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:07,140
on the spirit box like I don't I don't

1001
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:10,230
know like so it's it's like a 98 percent

1002
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:13,680
decent debunking experiment but that 2%

1003
00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:16,830
like leftover just opens up even more

1004
00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:19,230
high strangeness if you do get a crazy

1005
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:21,600
compelling conversation so I mean it's

1006
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:24,090
complex yeah I love it like it's a weird

1007
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:28,800
mediumistic twist on this controversial

1008
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,990
device that's that was super fun to just

1009
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:32,880
dive in in that whole world of it it is

1010
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:35,490
that that's a good point it is fun and I

1011
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:37,230
think that's something to keep in mind

1012
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:41,130
too ghost hunting can be fun it doesn't

1013
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:43,890
have to be this somber dark you know

1014
00:38:51,570 --> 00:38:47,680
dramatic thing all the time I mean even

1015
00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:51,580
if you do sync up with a spirit or some

1016
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:53,740
sort of energy or activity you could

1017
00:38:58,380 --> 00:38:56,050
have a good time it doesn't have to be I

1018
00:39:00,360 --> 00:38:58,390
was murdered when I was 12

1019
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:00,370
I'm waiting for someone to find the

1020
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:03,520
killer or I'm trapped and I can't cross

1021
00:39:08,970 --> 00:39:06,490
over like imagine it is a spirit of a

1022
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:08,980
person do you think that like their

1023
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:11,860
first means of communication is going to

1024
00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:14,650
be you know depressing or this or that

1025
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,020
maybe they just want to talk to you

1026
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:18,880
maybe they want to tell you like what

1027
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:21,130
they did that day in purgatory I don't

1028
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:23,650
know I don't know there's many

1029
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:25,930
possibilities but like you said that 2%

1030
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:27,880
is what sort of keeps me going in the

1031
00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:30,670
UFO field as I'm sure it does with you

1032
00:39:37,170 --> 00:39:32,950
like yes we're not out to prove that

1033
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:37,180
ghosts are real or aliens are real we

1034
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:39,130
just like everyone else have to come

1035
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:41,830
from it from a skeptical angle when that

1036
00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:44,350
2% is left and we have no other answers

1037
00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:46,120
then you have to really start asking

1038
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:48,760
those questions it could be this it

1039
00:39:52,290 --> 00:39:50,590
could be that so that's pretty

1040
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:52,300
interesting another thing I wanted to

1041
00:39:59,730 --> 00:39:55,620
touch on Karl is that idea of I guess

1042
00:40:01,650 --> 00:39:59,740
science verse spiritual in a sense you

1043
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,660
know we have a very technical side to

1044
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:03,520
ghost hunting and then we have the very

1045
00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:05,170
spiritual side like you said before

1046
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:07,870
sometimes you brought mediums in what do

1047
00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:10,090
you think of the whole idea of using

1048
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,240
tech during a ghost hunt versus feeling

1049
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:15,280
something or communicating with

1050
00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:17,290
something when it all lines up I'm sure

1051
00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:20,140
it's an incredible experience but is

1052
00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:22,420
there in your opinion like it doesn't

1053
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:23,980
have to be a balance is one more

1054
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:25,690
important than the other what do you

1055
00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:27,910
personally think for me it's really

1056
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:29,260
about like isolating the different

1057
00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:31,570
approaches and the reasons why you're on

1058
00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:33,550
the ghost hunt like first and foremost

1059
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:35,590
because for me like I've I've got a

1060
00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:39,280
super analytical brain and a really

1061
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:42,070
creative sort of practical side so like

1062
00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:45,250
I want to pursue creative things and you

1063
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:46,600
know having a little bit more fun

1064
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:48,130
because I'm passionate about it and I

1065
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:49,890
don't have that science background

1066
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:51,850
explicitly and like my college degree

1067
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:55,210
but my analytical brain just like vibes

1068
00:40:58,860 --> 00:40:57,110
with science too so I'm

1069
00:41:01,900 --> 00:40:58,870
constantly on a philosophical standpoint

1070
00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:01,910
trying to like study the - at all times

1071
00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:03,830
and like how and where they mesh how the

1072
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:05,900
believers and the skeptics mesh I

1073
00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:07,970
studied a lot of mysticism in college

1074
00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:10,790
which to me I mean that kept coming

1075
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:12,320
around and like the science versus

1076
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:14,210
religion debate and for me I kept

1077
00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:15,620
interpreting that like in everything

1078
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:17,030
that we researched and read it was like

1079
00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:18,410
go something falls right into the middle

1080
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:20,150
of the same debate right here because

1081
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:22,790
what seems to potentially be happening

1082
00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:26,660
is this spiritual realm this potentially

1083
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:28,580
non-physical realm is somehow

1084
00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:31,010
manifesting into the physical world and

1085
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:33,320
physical things are happening on the

1086
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:34,970
whole sometimes it seems like those are

1087
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:36,650
more psychical type engagements and we

1088
00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:37,820
have to question all those things like

1089
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:39,260
if you see a ghost was that ghost

1090
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:41,780
actually there was it in your your head

1091
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,150
was that still valid but it might only

1092
00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:45,920
be in your head so there's this big

1093
00:41:50,890 --> 00:41:48,020
dance between all these things but I

1094
00:41:53,350 --> 00:41:50,900
like studying that line and that balance

1095
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,360
between where those two where those who

1096
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:56,480
are at and how much of it is psychical

1097
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:58,810
and spiritual how much of it is

1098
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:01,760
something actually manifesting but some

1099
00:42:06,580 --> 00:42:04,250
me if you can watch a book being thrown

1100
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:06,590
across a room that seems to be from a

1101
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:09,380
ghost or spirit something physical is

1102
00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:12,110
happening which means that even if all

1103
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:13,670
this stuff is on the spiritual plane

1104
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:16,370
science can never put it in a box I ins

1105
00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:18,770
can never like fully capture what it is

1106
00:42:23,590 --> 00:42:21,320
because science is about empiricism the

1107
00:42:24,970 --> 00:42:23,600
five senses being able to distill

1108
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:24,980
something down and kind of test it and

1109
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:27,110
document it and observe it and if this

1110
00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:29,660
thing is like inherently like ineffable

1111
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:32,390
inherently you can't ever grasp onto it

1112
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:35,540
it's this Platonic idea almost emotional

1113
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:38,450
psychical spiritual realm then we will

1114
00:42:41,050 --> 00:42:39,740
never get it but if something's

1115
00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:41,060
happening there on the physical side

1116
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:42,980
like there's still more that we can

1117
00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:44,210
learn if there's a manifestation

1118
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:46,190
happening if it's not just purely

1119
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:48,770
spontaneous some sort of energy exchange

1120
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,930
or some sort of potentially even branch

1121
00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:52,880
of science that we don't know about yet

1122
00:42:57,340 --> 00:42:54,740
like you could have described the entire

1123
00:43:00,040 --> 00:42:57,350
EMF spectrum in the same spiritual

1124
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:00,050
enigma you know however long two hundred

1125
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:01,610
three hundred years ago before we knew

1126
00:43:05,110 --> 00:43:03,050
about it now we're like oh yeah

1127
00:43:06,430 --> 00:43:05,120
science includes that too how much other

1128
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:06,440
stuff is floating around in here is

1129
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:08,150
there no spiritual realm we just haven't

1130
00:43:11,620 --> 00:43:10,550
found the spirit stuff yet that science

1131
00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:11,630
is like oh yeah it's just this

1132
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:14,030
wavelength of matter or something you

1133
00:43:17,110 --> 00:43:15,410
know like some completely weird

1134
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:17,120
component that we haven't thought of so

1135
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:19,250
from that scientific aspect I like

1136
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,750
studying and that's where the spirit box

1137
00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:22,160
really got interesting because we're

1138
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:23,960
like is this a psychic impression that

1139
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:25,490
they're getting or the spirits talking

1140
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:26,690
through this thing and they can just

1141
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:27,890
hear them better with headphones you

1142
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:29,270
know like where's where's the balance

1143
00:43:32,290 --> 00:43:31,160
are we tapping into something spiritual

1144
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:32,300
here we tapping into another

1145
00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:34,610
manifestation here but by that same

1146
00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:37,070
token with all of that stuff kind of a

1147
00:43:39,220 --> 00:43:37,640
side

1148
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:39,230
it's about those approaches and just

1149
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,390
like why are you on a ghost hunt tonight

1150
00:43:46,090 --> 00:43:44,000
are you an enthusiast who just wants to

1151
00:43:47,590 --> 00:43:46,100
engage and like have that experience

1152
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,600
that you love watching on the go shows

1153
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:49,280
and you want to see who goes to there's

1154
00:43:52,750 --> 00:43:51,110
nothing wrong with that you know like

1155
00:43:55,330 --> 00:43:52,760
keep making this analogy that bird

1156
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:55,340
watchers are totally acceptable in our

1157
00:43:59,590 --> 00:43:58,130
society to like go and watch birds and

1158
00:44:01,480 --> 00:43:59,600
you don't need a science degree for that

1159
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:01,490
but if you're into the science if you

1160
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:02,990
have that science background if you

1161
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:04,490
carry a degree in your passion about

1162
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,130
this go do good science and go do real

1163
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:08,960
science and research it it's all about

1164
00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:10,310
that approach and the technical teams

1165
00:44:14,740 --> 00:44:12,470
fall in the middle where their devices

1166
00:44:16,330 --> 00:44:14,750
is like if they're debunking stuff for a

1167
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:16,340
homeowner they're trying to get answers

1168
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:18,730
for the homeowner all of that stuff is

1169
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:20,810
important to but we just have to be very

1170
00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:23,210
careful about the scientific terms that

1171
00:44:26,770 --> 00:44:25,340
we use to describe what we're doing if

1172
00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:26,780
we're not actually doing that science

1173
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:29,120
and so for me one of my big dumb points

1174
00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:31,310
you know get up and yell at everyone is

1175
00:44:37,090 --> 00:44:34,760
to separate our motivations and our

1176
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:37,100
approaches from the language that we use

1177
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:39,050
so we're not muddying the waters about

1178
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:40,730
the progress that actually needs to be

1179
00:44:46,330 --> 00:44:42,890
made on the larger whole of it yeah I

1180
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:46,340
think wording is extremely important you

1181
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:48,770
know when when you're dealing with a

1182
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:50,570
spirit a lot of people make the mistake

1183
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,760
and immediately go to demon or evil so

1184
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,200
that's something I'd like to touch on a

1185
00:45:03,070 --> 00:44:58,880
little bit too with you if that's cool

1186
00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:03,080
yeah I think people's beliefs may be

1187
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:06,230
religious can also play a big part in

1188
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,150
this it really it really I think it

1189
00:45:11,350 --> 00:45:09,440
really depends on the lens in which

1190
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:11,360
you're viewing what's going on the

1191
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:13,250
activity occurring could have science

1192
00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:14,990
you could have spirits and then you have

1193
00:45:19,090 --> 00:45:17,150
religion know what are your thoughts on

1194
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,100
that have you ever encountered something

1195
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:22,560
that you would consider evil or tomorrow

1196
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:26,610
in a sense not so explicitly uh I come

1197
00:45:31,340 --> 00:45:28,380
very very middle-of-the-road like I've

1198
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:31,350
got two sides to every possibility in my

1199
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:33,570
brain at least at all times and so I'm

1200
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:36,450
always very reluctant when it comes to

1201
00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:38,310
stuff like religion when it comes to

1202
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:40,830
spirituality while researching mysticism

1203
00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:42,450
stuff I find super fascinating and I

1204
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:43,800
think a lot of religions are super

1205
00:45:46,850 --> 00:45:45,330
fascinating then I take more of a

1206
00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:46,860
pluralistic standpoint towards those

1207
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:50,430
when it comes to actually labeling

1208
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:53,370
something or getting practical with it

1209
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:55,470
that's where I get reluctant because to

1210
00:45:59,780 --> 00:45:57,690
tie up anything in a spiritual realm

1211
00:46:01,250 --> 00:45:59,790
with a little packaging in a bow and say

1212
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:01,260
like this is what it is we figured it

1213
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:03,330
out these telltale traits mean that you

1214
00:46:07,850 --> 00:46:05,400
know like you're feeling creeped out on

1215
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:07,860
location you got scratched and you

1216
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:09,900
smelled sulfur like it's a demon like

1217
00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:12,570
done it means evil that's what it is I

1218
00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:14,790
take more of an open-minded approach

1219
00:46:18,350 --> 00:46:16,350
where like I think that that's sort of

1220
00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:18,360
like cookie cutter thinking I mean it

1221
00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:20,100
could be accurate for sure like I don't

1222
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,630
know but some of that cookie cutter

1223
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:23,520
thinking I think tends to freak people

1224
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:25,290
out more rather than make them

1225
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:26,940
open-minded in a sense like I've been

1226
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,050
around people getting scratched on

1227
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:30,000
ghosts Sun's up a fair amount hasn't

1228
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:31,200
happened to me yet but I've seen it

1229
00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:32,700
happen a number of times and has

1230
00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:34,320
happened plenty of times in a situation

1231
00:46:38,090 --> 00:46:36,030
that I'm like this isn't this isn't

1232
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:38,100
demonic this isn't a problem we're not

1233
00:46:42,110 --> 00:46:39,690
freaked out here there's nothing

1234
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:42,120
negative going on and you think about

1235
00:46:47,570 --> 00:46:44,250
all the stuff that could cause scratches

1236
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:47,580
in our living world like kids who are

1237
00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:49,260
just like too eagerly trying to get your

1238
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,360
attention you know can like scratch on

1239
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:53,040
the arm on accident and you might be

1240
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:54,780
like upset about that but like those I

1241
00:46:58,840 --> 00:46:56,310
mean depending on your perspective on

1242
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:58,850
children like they're not evil right

1243
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:02,160
like they're they're just trying too

1244
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,590
hard or overreach not knowing their

1245
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:05,760
abilities and I think the same could be

1246
00:47:09,590 --> 00:47:07,800
said for ghosts so when it comes to that

1247
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:09,600
stuff I've run into some dark stuff

1248
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:12,060
that's creeped me out some like inhuman

1249
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:14,310
potentially stuff up on the grounds of

1250
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:17,970
the Stan Lee it was never like not often

1251
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:20,310
particularly concerning but it was

1252
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,370
unsettling in the presence of it like

1253
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:25,200
when you feel something like shadowy

1254
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:27,300
dark creepy when there's a presence of

1255
00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:30,290
being like scrutinized like to your face

1256
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:33,390
like something is so curious about you

1257
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:34,830
it's and it's like an animal's in your

1258
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:36,180
face that's really it

1259
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:38,220
and I think that the human animalistic

1260
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,260
reflex in us all is just like that's a

1261
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:42,240
predator that thing's got power over me

1262
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:43,440
that thing could hurt me

1263
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,569
therefore it's bad and you're scared of

1264
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:48,480
it I try not to take that final jump to

1265
00:47:52,579 --> 00:47:50,250
like that being bad I'm just like that

1266
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:52,589
thing is just like not human it's just

1267
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:54,839
different it's like a dog if you step on

1268
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,579
its toes it's gonna bite back if you go

1269
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,559
in and tagging istic Lee it's it's gonna

1270
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:01,200
bite back but trying not to like project

1271
00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:03,780
that onto it either as part of what I I

1272
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,670
do so I've granted like I think

1273
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,160
possessions probably happen like I've

1274
00:48:11,329 --> 00:48:10,079
heard crazy stuff from sources that I

1275
00:48:13,819 --> 00:48:11,339
trust so I think that there is some like

1276
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:13,829
nasty weirdness out there and some

1277
00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:15,300
things that are interested in feeding on

1278
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:18,030
negative energy and creating problematic

1279
00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:20,250
circumstances but on the whole like I

1280
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:21,300
haven't encountered anything that's

1281
00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:23,460
specific and extreme and so I'm trying

1282
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:25,230
to stay open-minded with the rest of it

1283
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:28,650
- and I know classification systems put

1284
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,690
like anything inhuman on a spiritual

1285
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:33,119
plane is like instantly demonic but for

1286
00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:35,970
me we've got a lot of inhuman stuff on

1287
00:48:39,380 --> 00:48:37,470
the living side of the world that's not

1288
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,390
demons like literally an entire animal

1289
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,339
kingdom so I try to stay as open-minded

1290
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:43,920
about the spiritual as well in terms of

1291
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:48,750
the weird Karl you are in weird HQ right

1292
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:53,940
now and literally the traveling Museum

1293
00:48:58,039 --> 00:48:55,530
of the paranormal and a cult

1294
00:49:00,650 --> 00:48:58,049
Greg Newkirk and Dana Newkirk pretty

1295
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:00,660
awesome my man I will post a photo of

1296
00:49:08,299 --> 00:49:04,200
you and the amazingly creepy in the

1297
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:08,309
back pretty awesome so I have to ask

1298
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:11,130
what are you doing there I know you

1299
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:13,890
can't you can only tease this but it's a

1300
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:15,930
pretty interesting story of how you

1301
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:18,930
ended up there what you're doing and I

1302
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:21,210
would love to hear anything you can give

1303
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:24,329
us oh yeah yeah I'm other than just

1304
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,819
being in hog heaven right now like in

1305
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:28,380
the paranormal you find your people

1306
00:49:32,349 --> 00:49:30,599
sometimes and when you just like it

1307
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:32,359
together it's our sharing ideas and

1308
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:34,440
conversations and seeing all their weird

1309
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:36,569
creepy stuff and it's great you know

1310
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:38,490
those those people aren't exactly every

1311
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:40,170
other house on the street you know where

1312
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:42,420
I come from so yeah so breaking in a new

1313
00:49:47,180 --> 00:49:45,569
Kirk fantastic fantastic folks kind of

1314
00:49:49,050 --> 00:49:47,190
met them and finally at the Stanley was

1315
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:49,060
the final Stanley paranormal event

1316
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:51,010
to date that they put on up there it was

1317
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:52,810
a lot strange escapes event with Amy

1318
00:49:56,550 --> 00:49:54,490
Bruni finally met Greg and Dana via

1319
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,560
mutual friend John Tenney was you know

1320
00:50:01,380 --> 00:49:58,960
also fantastic hit it off like instant

1321
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:01,390
friends and Greg and Dana I've just been

1322
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:04,450
around this weird stuff for years years

1323
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:06,850
and years and whether they're magnets

1324
00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:09,130
for it or they just take that extra step

1325
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:10,780
into the high strangeness and all those

1326
00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:12,790
like wacky doors open that things just

1327
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:14,740
go down that rabbit hole of weirdness

1328
00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:16,690
there proves with that so they've got a

1329
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:18,460
lot of crazy stories tons of crazy

1330
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:20,170
stories one of them in particular I

1331
00:50:23,610 --> 00:50:22,090
heard on a podcasts a year ago this

1332
00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:23,620
month podcast you've been on a number of

1333
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:25,360
times you from that podcast with Jim

1334
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:27,130
Perry they were on there Greg was on

1335
00:50:31,530 --> 00:50:29,410
there talking about this whole Kentucky

1336
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:31,540
goblins story that he's been a part of

1337
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:35,230
and the story that he meets was just

1338
00:50:40,110 --> 00:50:37,690
mind-boggling to me just so many twists

1339
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,120
and turns so fascinating that right in

1340
00:50:44,130 --> 00:50:41,680
the middle of listening to that I had

1341
00:50:45,690 --> 00:50:44,140
this super weird synchronicity of

1342
00:50:47,490 --> 00:50:45,700
tweeting out that I was listening to it

1343
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:47,500
this was like six months after it

1344
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:49,390
originally was posted like it was an

1345
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,130
obscure time for me to be listening to

1346
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:52,960
it and when I tweeted it out telling

1347
00:50:58,980 --> 00:50:55,380
everyone to go check out the episode the

1348
00:51:00,510 --> 00:50:58,990
weekend weird account which OTO posts

1349
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:00,520
from the archives of their website

1350
00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:03,160
posted an article about that exact

1351
00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:05,470
Kentucky goblins case like literally 30

1352
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:06,940
seconds after the last thing I said

1353
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:09,670
about it tweeting out so purely random

1354
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,440
and one of only two articles about the

1355
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:16,440
Kentucky goblins case in a database of

1356
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:20,050
1,700 articles posted up in that exact

1357
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:22,210
moment like mid tweeting about it mid

1358
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:24,910
episode crazy like odds of that that all

1359
00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:26,170
that timing should add up

1360
00:51:30,210 --> 00:51:28,420
synchronicity blew me away watching it

1361
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:30,220
live on Twitter talking to Greg and I

1362
00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:32,050
felt called to this whole thing and the

1363
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:34,120
synchronicities that followed in the

1364
00:51:38,820 --> 00:51:36,130
next three weeks after that was just one

1365
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:38,830
after another after another and for

1366
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:40,510
someone like me synchronicities happen

1367
00:51:47,010 --> 00:51:42,970
really rarely maybe just like for a week

1368
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:47,020
during the year just super super rarely

1369
00:51:51,930 --> 00:51:49,510
and randomly so this was so ordinated so

1370
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:51,940
like revolving around that you from that

1371
00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:54,070
podcast and everything about it you were

1372
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:56,590
on an episode of it and you were talking

1373
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:58,570
about UFOs and whatnot during that

1374
00:52:01,380 --> 00:51:59,400
episode there was

1375
00:52:03,010 --> 00:52:01,390
synchronicities happening I was reading

1376
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:03,020
a shock valley

1377
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:04,850
of journals synchronicities happen

1378
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:06,410
within that book and another book that I

1379
00:52:12,130 --> 00:52:08,570
bought and the timing that I bought them

1380
00:52:14,290 --> 00:52:12,140
I went over to Twitter like first three

1381
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:14,300
most recent posts one of them was

1382
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:15,650
because you guys were talking about

1383
00:52:21,850 --> 00:52:18,710
Jacques Vallee on the podcast and CAI

1384
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:21,860
shared a YouTube interview with Jacques

1385
00:52:24,580 --> 00:52:23,330
Vallee and I was like that's right at

1386
00:52:25,780 --> 00:52:24,590
the top right as I was just reading

1387
00:52:28,810 --> 00:52:25,790
about this and having this stuff

1388
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:28,820
happened and one after another until I

1389
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:31,310
was on the podcast a week after you and

1390
00:52:34,030 --> 00:52:32,510
I was so curious when all these

1391
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:34,040
synchronicities were pointing towards

1392
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:36,110
that I wondered what was gonna happen

1393
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:36,920
next

1394
00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:38,810
feeling called and related to this whole

1395
00:52:42,340 --> 00:52:40,670
goblins case and like the podcast it was

1396
00:52:44,140 --> 00:52:42,350
a normal podcast we just chatted and I

1397
00:52:46,090 --> 00:52:44,150
didn't know what the what the end goal

1398
00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:46,100
was that like I didn't know but after

1399
00:52:49,690 --> 00:52:47,150
being on that episode you and I

1400
00:52:51,730 --> 00:52:49,700
connected on Facebook you were listening

1401
00:52:53,050 --> 00:52:51,740
that night I think you I just been on

1402
00:52:55,570 --> 00:52:53,060
the week before we've been tweeting and

1403
00:52:57,220 --> 00:52:55,580
stuff so we connected and a year later

1404
00:52:59,170 --> 00:52:57,230
here we are finally putting together

1405
00:53:03,640 --> 00:52:59,180
this podcast that after not being able

1406
00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:03,650
to schedule it for like weeks months I'm

1407
00:53:10,210 --> 00:53:07,400
out here in Kentucky now right now this

1408
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:10,220
week following up on all that mystery

1409
00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:12,770
working on a documentary project about

1410
00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:14,860
going going after this whole thing

1411
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:17,270
launching this expedition seeing what

1412
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:19,010
it's all about putting together all

1413
00:53:22,810 --> 00:53:20,990
these pieces of the puzzle together and

1414
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,820
here we are we scheduled it for today

1415
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:25,520
talking to you like being this like you

1416
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:39,150
what do you know not much so I

1417
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:41,810
definitely look forward to whatever the

1418
00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:44,570
three of you are are manifesting and

1419
00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:47,840
creating out there in goblin country for

1420
00:53:52,450 --> 00:53:50,180
sure I mean the way that the whole thing

1421
00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:52,460
just kind of revolves around stuff and

1422
00:53:59,050 --> 00:53:55,700
relates to stuff I mean again the shock

1423
00:54:00,910 --> 00:53:59,060
valley synchronicities i've been a fan

1424
00:54:02,850 --> 00:54:00,920
of his for a number of years known in

1425
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:02,860
his books and he talks a lot about those

1426
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,130
similarities between UFOs and aliens and

1427
00:54:10,810 --> 00:54:08,960
creatures of folklore like fairies and

1428
00:54:12,550 --> 00:54:10,820
goblins and the Irish folklore in the

1429
00:54:13,690 --> 00:54:12,560
European folklore and how it sounds like

1430
00:54:15,099 --> 00:54:13,700
everyone's kind of talking about the

1431
00:54:16,989 --> 00:54:15,109
same thing so

1432
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:16,999
it's just focal cleric goblins that

1433
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:18,529
we're looking into or if it's like

1434
00:54:22,450 --> 00:54:20,630
aliens you know and UFOs it's all

1435
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:22,460
related to that stuff too like it's all

1436
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:24,650
tied together which is which is also in

1437
00:54:28,059 --> 00:54:26,450
your neck of the woods absolutely I mean

1438
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:28,069
you look at the original Hopkinsville

1439
00:54:34,329 --> 00:54:32,450
goblin case and UFOs were reported I

1440
00:54:36,670 --> 00:54:34,339
mean that's not to say that it was just

1441
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,680
a lien it could be a number of things

1442
00:54:41,710 --> 00:54:38,480
and that's why you and I are talking

1443
00:54:43,089 --> 00:54:41,720
today is because they don't have to be

1444
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:43,099
separated we don't have to have these

1445
00:54:49,809 --> 00:54:45,710
camps of ghost hunting and UFO hunting

1446
00:54:52,210 --> 00:54:49,819
and cryptid hunting I eat I always have

1447
00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:52,220
this image in my head that one day a

1448
00:54:59,229 --> 00:54:55,849
Bigfoot is going to come off of a UFO

1449
00:55:02,200 --> 00:54:59,239
and then disappear into thin air and

1450
00:55:05,529 --> 00:55:02,210
just as Greg Newkirk says it's some sort

1451
00:55:07,299 --> 00:55:05,539
of spiritual entity and right there man

1452
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:07,309
you got a culmination of all three

1453
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:08,569
coming together and we're all just

1454
00:55:13,989 --> 00:55:10,670
trying to figure out what the hell is

1455
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,999
going on exactly exactly and I'm like is

1456
00:55:18,489 --> 00:55:16,400
is every thing that falls under the

1457
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:18,499
category of like for to you nor strange

1458
00:55:23,019 --> 00:55:20,930
or weird like is it all connected like I

1459
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:23,029
don't know maybe that's a tall order but

1460
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:26,329
like to ignore the similarities because

1461
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,710
you're convinced of what you believe

1462
00:55:33,789 --> 00:55:30,319
something is like being convinced that

1463
00:55:36,249 --> 00:55:33,799
Bigfoot is just something that's like an

1464
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:36,259
evolutionary link that brain a small

1465
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,910
population it got really good at hiding

1466
00:55:40,809 --> 00:55:39,440
from the rest of us humans are like

1467
00:55:43,630 --> 00:55:40,819
whatever it is like the moment you

1468
00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:43,640
decide what it is you're closing

1469
00:55:47,529 --> 00:55:45,980
yourself up to evidence and experiences

1470
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:47,539
and stuff that could be pointing towards

1471
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:50,089
a weirder connection you know and and

1472
00:55:56,019 --> 00:55:53,359
like the the folklore of the the fairies

1473
00:55:58,509 --> 00:55:56,029
and aliens connection that Valley was

1474
00:56:00,279 --> 00:55:58,519
looking into back in the 60s he was one

1475
00:56:01,989 --> 00:56:00,289
of the first ones to propose that idea

1476
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:01,999
cuz no one else wanted to talk about who

1477
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:04,130
these UFO pilots were you know like

1478
00:56:08,170 --> 00:56:06,710
before the whole Martian idea got away

1479
00:56:09,579 --> 00:56:08,180
from everyone and everyone decided that

1480
00:56:11,049 --> 00:56:09,589
they're from other planets

1481
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:11,059
he was one of the first people to say

1482
00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:12,529
like these things might not be from

1483
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:14,150
other planets they might be a condition

1484
00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:15,920
of the planet that has been here all

1485
00:56:19,269 --> 00:56:17,660
along and so kind of he and John keel

1486
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:19,279
were like really forwarding that idea

1487
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:21,890
back then but people were not into it

1488
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:23,930
and it took a couple of decades to stick

1489
00:56:28,780 --> 00:56:25,970
and now it's becoming a much more

1490
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:28,790
popular idea that's just like alright

1491
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,710
our pilots in these craft if that's what

1492
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:33,440
they are craft or even pilots where do

1493
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:34,250
these things come from

1494
00:56:36,940 --> 00:56:35,570
like could they have been from the earth

1495
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:36,950
the whole time when you start combining

1496
00:56:40,860 --> 00:56:39,110
all that stuff together when you look at

1497
00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:40,870
what John keel says about UFOs

1498
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:43,190
potentially just being energy sources

1499
00:56:48,550 --> 00:56:46,400
that are coming down through the MF

1500
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:48,560
spectrum and we catch them at different

1501
00:56:51,580 --> 00:56:49,970
points in the light spectrum as they're

1502
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:51,590
coming down or going up and that that's

1503
00:56:56,350 --> 00:56:54,140
a part of the manifestation process if

1504
00:56:58,690 --> 00:56:56,360
they're going from energy to craft how

1505
00:57:00,760 --> 00:56:58,700
similar is that to ghost that's also an

1506
00:57:02,410 --> 00:57:00,770
abscessed you know like if you see a red

1507
00:57:03,610 --> 00:57:02,420
light on a ghost hunt does that mean

1508
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:03,620
that something's about to manifest

1509
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:05,510
physically in the environment the way

1510
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:07,520
that qu'il says that a red light on a

1511
00:57:11,830 --> 00:57:09,710
UFO means it's about to like become

1512
00:57:13,570 --> 00:57:11,840
something craft like and land

1513
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:13,580
quote-unquote so like that's a

1514
00:57:17,140 --> 00:57:15,170
similarity that blows my mind like the

1515
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:17,150
colors of ghosts and orbs and lights

1516
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:18,410
that you see when you're on a ghost hunt

1517
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:20,570
like that that might matter about what's

1518
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:21,530
about to happen next on the

1519
00:57:25,540 --> 00:57:22,970
investigation and what you might be able

1520
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:25,550
to document or see like but if UFOs are

1521
00:57:27,970 --> 00:57:26,810
ridiculous and ghost sir what you're

1522
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:27,980
passionate about you're never gonna read

1523
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:28,970
those books you're never gonna cross

1524
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,410
that over and like see if there's

1525
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:32,480
similarities or not the more I look into

1526
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,570
UFOs man the the more it opens those

1527
00:57:38,860 --> 00:57:37,760
doors to these other topics and I think

1528
00:57:41,050 --> 00:57:38,870
that's great and I think people like

1529
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:41,060
valet or even keel the thing that they

1530
00:57:46,030 --> 00:57:44,330
they harp on constantly up until today

1531
00:57:47,830 --> 00:57:46,040
and that I think we have to keep in mind

1532
00:57:49,690 --> 00:57:47,840
is that this is more about us than

1533
00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:49,700
whatever the hell is happening out there

1534
00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:52,280
it's our perception of it it's what the

1535
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:55,070
baggage we bring into it it's literally

1536
00:58:01,450 --> 00:57:57,890
our senses and like you said it like how

1537
00:58:04,180 --> 00:58:01,460
we react to it how it affects us and how

1538
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:04,190
it kind of makes us more human and in

1539
00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:06,050
the moment than ever before you're

1540
00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:08,630
scared of a ghost that vulnerability is

1541
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:10,430
the most human you're ever gonna feel

1542
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,370
and I'm you know I had a UFO sighting at

1543
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:16,400
age 12 it was the same thing I I can't

1544
00:58:21,370 --> 00:58:18,200
remember another time in my life where I

1545
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:21,380
felt so much of the ground below me or

1546
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,510
you know so much of what was going on

1547
00:58:28,330 --> 00:58:26,000
around me and it seemed like my senses

1548
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:28,340
were in overdrive you know whether or

1549
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:30,650
not that was adrenaline or feeling

1550
00:58:34,930 --> 00:58:32,330
threatened I I can't tell you I just

1551
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:34,940
know that I felt more alive than ever

1552
00:58:38,860 --> 00:58:37,190
when this event occurred yeah when

1553
00:58:40,930 --> 00:58:38,870
you're in that hyper aware space when

1554
00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:40,940
you're your person like a reality is

1555
00:58:44,140 --> 00:58:42,230
perception you know

1556
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:44,150
what we assume about the world what we

1557
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:46,310
take for granted and that keeps us safe

1558
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:47,900
and secure and the moment that your

1559
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:49,490
whole perception about what what is

1560
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:51,290
around us what is reality what is normal

1561
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:53,810
as soon as that's broken shattered even

1562
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,030
like that radically can change your life

1563
00:58:59,680 --> 00:58:58,160
and I mean that's that's what your like

1564
00:59:01,420 --> 00:58:59,690
your book is about right I mean it's

1565
00:59:03,609 --> 00:59:01,430
looking at like how radically some of

1566
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:03,619
these experiences can change people's

1567
00:59:08,859 --> 00:59:06,530
life without even worrying about the

1568
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:08,869
source like what is the source so much

1569
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:11,510
is the profound effects on people that

1570
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,730
is that's the human element right there

1571
00:59:19,390 --> 00:59:16,160
well I mean speaking of books dare I say

1572
00:59:21,580 --> 00:59:19,400
you mr. Fifer are a Renaissance man

1573
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:21,590
you've written books you're a

1574
00:59:26,590 --> 00:59:24,170
photographer you're a ghost hunter you

1575
00:59:29,140 --> 00:59:26,600
do it all man so what do you got coming

1576
00:59:30,609 --> 00:59:29,150
up what are you working on

1577
00:59:34,330 --> 00:59:30,619
what are you books about I'm very

1578
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:34,340
fascinated by this yeah so the books I

1579
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:38,000
basically am inspired by stuff like the

1580
00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:39,770
stuff that I love I want to engage with

1581
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:41,630
more than just consuming them I want to

1582
00:59:46,810 --> 00:59:44,960
create - so I grew up loving reading and

1583
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:46,820
I just wish I had more time for it

1584
00:59:52,359 --> 00:59:50,450
nowadays but so I wanted to write and so

1585
00:59:53,859 --> 00:59:52,369
I spent years working on writing and so

1586
00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:53,869
the first book I wrote was a novel

1587
00:59:58,270 --> 00:59:56,150
called hallowtide that it's about a

1588
01:00:00,880 --> 00:59:58,280
young man's nightmares about a journey

1589
01:00:03,490 --> 01:00:00,890
into hell and how those nightmares might

1590
01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:03,500
be connected to a school shooting that

1591
01:00:08,859 --> 01:00:05,750
he was a victim of five years earlier

1592
01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:08,869
that he doesn't remember so it's very

1593
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:12,230
Union it's very much dealing with the

1594
01:00:15,940 --> 01:00:13,760
collective unconsciousness and the

1595
01:00:18,609 --> 01:00:15,950
spiritual place in the real place and

1596
01:00:20,620 --> 01:00:18,619
kind of a descent into madness story and

1597
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:20,630
then the second one is kind of a

1598
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:21,770
collection of a lot of the work that I

1599
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,270
worked on for a couple years throughout

1600
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:25,040
college so it's got fiction short

1601
01:00:29,650 --> 01:00:27,050
stories it's got poetry it's got

1602
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:29,660
nonfiction short stories - that are

1603
01:00:33,550 --> 01:00:32,240
supernaturally oriented about weirdest

1604
01:00:36,220 --> 01:00:33,560
experiences that's happened to me at the

1605
01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:36,230
Stanley Hotel but also a friend of mine

1606
01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:39,590
a series like multi-year span of kind of

1607
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:41,990
being terrorized by this entity in her

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life so it documents that as well so

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that one's a little bit more just kind

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of across the board fictional and

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non-fictional weirdness for the books so

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yeah yeah awesome well consider two more

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purchases by the time we hang up here

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rather Thanks definitely be checking

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those out where can I find him where can

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we find all your work give it to us

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the easiest way I use my website as the

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hub for all my random stuff online so

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WWE Carl Pfeiffer kaam kar al and then

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PF e i FF er can't remember that just

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Google that with like ghost on or

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something and I'm sure that the correct

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spelling will pop in there but yeah so

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that's that's the website there's links

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to the books it's there on Amazon that's

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that's the best source for them you can

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buy them as a Kindle or a hard copy if

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you like a hardcover even through my

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website that's more of a special order

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but I think the hard covers mostly are

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just to appease myself because they're

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so cool but bragging rights yeah pretty

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yes Carla thank you so much man for

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joining me today for taking the time I

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know you're literally mid investigation

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01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:51,500
and project right now so it means a lot

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that you and take the time to do this

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and appropriate this time of year of

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October when this will be airing so

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thank you I I wish you all the best

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there with Greg and Dana please give

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01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:04,550
them my best and again thank you for

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coming on somewhere in the skies yeah

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01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:07,609
thank you man thanks for having me this

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is great all right that is it for this

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week's episode be sure to check out all

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01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:14,690
of Carl's work at Carl Pfeiffer calm

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that's Karm PFE i FF ER calm and to keep

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up with his current investigations with

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Greg and Dana Newkirk be sure to visit

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them on Instagram at Planet weird or on

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their website weird hq.com

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my sincere thanks goes out to Vance and

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Jennifer over at the caravan of lore

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found at T public comm just search for

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countdown continues as we creep closer

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to Halloween and next week's episode is

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no exception be sure to tune in and

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remember keep your feet on the ground

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:22,980
but never stop searching somewhere in

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01:03:52,170 --> 01:03:50,079
podcast listeners this is Professor

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buzzkill we do a weekly romp through

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some of the history myths that are most

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deeply embedded in modern culture we

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tack one main myth per week with the

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intention not only of busting that myth

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them is so important expert historians

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come to the bus kill Institute to help

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us in our labors and we often

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interviewed specialists at universities

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around the world and we have fun

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destroying quotes dubiously attributed

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others listen to professor buzzkill on

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